it doesn't play very well in presidential debates. he'll be debating against mitt romney. mitt is really solid, a very smooth debater. every time the president has a pause, people might think the president doesn't know what he's going to say next. he's not prepared for the question. that's the problem in the debate. >> fine line between pausing so everyone can understand what you're talking about and i suppose pausing too long. >> oh, sure. it is also one of his strengths. he's a very thoughtful person. so if you like him, you'll see the pauses as him being thoughtful. if you don't like him, you'll think he needs a teleprompter. >> mitt romney, we both know debaters from both parties occasionally like to dodge questions. is there an art to do so gracefully, check this out. >> you asked me an entirely different question. >> beats me. don't know. where are we at, john? >> what do you see there? >> that was a disaster. that was south carolina, i believe. he had two terrible debates in south carolina. the only two i said he lost. and he in fact ended up losing that primary to